From: charlie
Date: 22 May 2000
Time: 15:08:34
Several years ago, I read the script (part of one) taken from a video tape made of a guy named Fred Celeni, aka Fred Sebastian.
Fred Celeni is a self-proclamed government operative and he had a story to tell.
He said that back in the early 90's he had several meetings in which plans were made to take advantage of the Rodney King Trial in LA. Plans were made to hand out guns and drugs when the verdict was near.
He said these meetings were with some names you would recognize. More about that later.
Just days before the verdict, he and a few others handed out drugs and guns. Two of the people who worked with him were the guys who were later on trial for the vicious attack on Reginald Denney--the truck driver.
He says that top names in LA within the Da's office and the police department were in on the plot. One name he gave was Tom Lange and another was Mark Fuhrman.
Before I go further let me tell you I went to the LA Times archieves and found the stories about Fred Celeni aka Fred Sabastian there and passed them on to David Bresnahan.
He says the LA Riots succeeded beyond what they were expecting. More wide and more violent.
He says he had worked with Fuhrman before.
He told of working for the law firm who handled the case for the two guys on trial for attacking Reggie Denney. And told how it was handled and manipulated with changed lawyers, changed judges, etc.
I found in the LA Times Archieves where Fred Celeni aka Fred Sabastian WAS working at that law firm and was arrested while working there and was using a false name--Sabastian.
Then, I got reenforcement for other things he said when I read that he had been taken back to LITTLE ROCK, Ark and was on trial. He showed his ID at the trial (he had been on Parole it seems) of being an Investigator for Congressman Dingle's office. It did not save him from conviction.
He says that while in Arkansas, he was told that Vince Foster (who he knew as the Rabbi) was a dead man. Foster was dead the next day, July 20, 1993. His trial was in fact in Little Rock on that day. He knew Foster by the "code" name The Rabbi. He was in on the planned meeting for the riots as was James Carville who was using a false name at the meeting. I have since read in 2 other places where Foster DID use code names when he contacted people and used different onces with different people.
Celeni said that DA Ira Reiner knew about the riots as did a deputy police chief whose name escapes me now but is a real person because I looked him up in the archieves as well.
Celeni said that later in time, one of the people who helped him in LA, a cop from Van Nyes (sp) named Nathan Arnold, Jr. told him that he, Tom Lange and Mark Fuhrman were at Nicole's that night and an interrogation got out of hand (which it had with Arnold before) and Nicole was killed, that Lange fought with Ron and he was killed by Arnold as well.
I have never been about to determine if there is such a cop in LA by the name of Nathan ARnold, Jr.. Perhaps Jasper's brother could do him a favor and find out if there is such a cop in existence.
I realize that this is a wild tale but as I stated, there is a Fred Celeni and he was arrested at that law firm using the name Sabastian and he Was convicted in Little Rock the week that Vince Foster died.
The Rose Law Firm is the basis for the book by Clinton cousin John Gresham for the book and movie THE FIRM about a southern law firm which is involed with the mafia and with international affairs. Oddly, in that book, the lawyer who tries to leave the firm, "commits suicide" and his wife is paid off to keep quiet.
Foster was into things we may never know about. When he died, it was discovered he had 500,000 frequent flier miles--many of them for "turnarounds" to Switzerland that his wife knew nothing about.
Long before his death, his name had come up in the investigation of the Promis soft ware and the suit over it with the CIA.
His client, Systematics is who put the Big Brother database computer into the basement of the WH. They have morphed into something like Attlel (sp) and are the world's headquarters for the database of computerized info on consumers in the world. Systematics is based in Arkansas.
You can take it or leave this but this is not the first time I have heard or read that the LA Riots had some help getting started.
And I don't know what purpose he would have to bring in Fuhrman, Lange or this Nathan Arnold, Jr. It would go a long way to find out if in fact there is a LA cop by this name.
Lange said on Rivera Live! that he was at "control central" the night the riots broke out and implied that he was "working". This was also the historic night that he said the cops were right and were doing their job. He also said that if they had just shot King, they wouldn't have gotten in trouble. Chris Springer heard this as well and as they faded to break with Geraldo's mouth hanging open, the phone rang and it was Chris screaming Did you Hear that? Tom Lange did not return to Rivera for a long long time after that. To my knowledge, he has never appeared in person again--only by phone.
Celeni said that ARnold had killed other people in the past. One was an old woman and it gave the name which I don't recall now but read it earlier today, so I think I can find it again. Seems he gets Rough during interrogations and loses control and kills people. I think we have heard this about cops in the Rampart Probe though I don't know if they actually killed people or just injured them badly.
I gave a summary here but Celeni gave names, dates, and places, the name of the law firm and more.
charlie