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Chapter 12: OUR RIGHTS

"...NOR SHALL ANY PERSON BE SUBJECT FOR THE SAME OFFENSE TO BE TWICE PUT IN JEOPARDY OF LIFE OR LIMB...’’ Excerpt from the Bill of Rights

 

The Fifth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution, makes it clear that you can’t be tried twice for the same crime "IF" the penalty in the first instance was loss of life or limb. It appears that custom and precedent alone determined that O.J. Simpson did not face the possibility of death or dismemberment in his second trial since he did not risk losing them as a result of the first trial. That portion of the Fifth says nothing about loss of liberty. Protection against loss of liberty comes next, along with the prohibition against forcing you to testify against yourself in a criminal trial or losing your life "...or property, without due process of law."

"Due process" is the catch. Crap like this is what lawyers were invented to invent, and to sanctify, and to argue about interminably for fun and profit.

The lawyers in our group, Judge and Matlock, had much to say about this. Though Matlock’s name inevitably pops up here and there, I don’t have his letters to show you. Matlock was the guy who equated my use of the r-word with the mentality of those who use the n-word, and demanded I delete his name from my address book. But there were two new players in the game, a woman named Kim and a guy named Phil, whose presence, along with Judge’s, had a huge impact on the dynamics of the group. It demanded a kinder, gentler Lion and Tiger —for a while.

Meanwhile, the revelations I made to the group a week earlier about my Jewish uncle and the lessons of Munich were still reverberating in the background, though Trille, Tiger and I were the only ones aware of it. Trille was especially vulnerable to those messages because of the words she used in response to them. They were outrageous—out of context, which is all the OJG’s and Judge had to hear. I knew EXACTLY what she was saying and why. But she had yet to learn that she would never be able to use some words in any context without being misunderstood. In some instances, you had to go back a long way to know the full context, or you had to depend on someone else to supply it. When that someone else was a kinder, gentler Tiger, you can bet that it would have a "crazy" spin to it.

Subj: Re Our Rights

Date: 97-02-12 19:52:04 EST

From: Hhhana

To: Phil, Judge, Tiger

CC: Trooper, Pat, Trille

Oh yes! Here we go. Please correct me if I’m wrong, but the conviction of De LaBeckwith in the death of Medgar Evers isn’t in the same category of conviction. Mr. De LaBeckwith was tried and the jury hung more than once if memory serves me right. The conviction was not for a violation of Mr. Evers’ civil rights. It was indeed a murder trial. It was for the original charge because the original murder charge had never been decided, correct?

The other two are the Los Angeles Police in the beating of Rodney King and OJ Simpson in the deaths of Ron and Nicole. Taking each separately, beginning with the Rodney King beating. The retrial would not have happened had President Bush not asked the government to look into bringing the charges. There are still people who believe it brought about double jeopardy, no matter what you call it. We know the change of venue to Simi Valley was a grave error. This could have been tried in an area with some diversity. It’s history, and even though the police are a government entity and have to stand accountable as such, it may have set a bad precedent.

The civil trial of OJ Simpson, although evidently legal, also sets a bad precedent. Phil, exactly as you say, the plaintiffs had access to all of the evidence from the criminal trial. OJ had to provide his own defense, first against the State of California, then against the families (backed up by the State of California). Isn’t the question the same? Did he do it? I think both ask the same thing, and should not be allowed. Just my thoughts. —Paula

Subj: Re: Rights

Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 4:44 PM

From: Philip T. Rabne

To: Chameleon

CC: All

To build on what Judge was discussing regarding civil vs. criminal litigation, the civil trial and its outcome seems to me (and I believe many others) to be "treated" by many "as though" it was a criminal trial with O.J. being found "guilty." They make no apologies, not even blinking, when they use the term "guilty" in conjunction with the civil trial. They don’t make any distinction, even superficially, between the Simpson civil trial and any other criminal trial having a negative outcome for a defendant.

Those who feel that the civil trial reaffirmed their belief in O.J.’s guilt contemptuously discount the earlier verdict as well as the jurors who arrived at that verdict. The media and, in particular, the trash media, used selective reporting, overloaded panels and inflammatory rhetoric to manipulate emotions and galvanize their audiences. Any attempts by Simpson sympathizers to discuss the mistakes of the law enforcement agencies is treated emotionally as an affront to the memory of Ron and Nicole and the police efforts to bring a "murder" to justice.

I don’t think Congress intended the civil court system to be used as a criminal court of last resort when it established the civil court system to adjudicate disputes between individuals. What this trend suggests to me is that one can go shopping to get a second chance for a favorable decision, thus completely subverting the criminal justice system, rendering any criminal trial verdict meaningless.

I can also envision a scenario where the state develops vast amounts of "evidence" that can be used later by an antagonistic civil litigant (at no cost to the plaintiff, some of which may not be easily accessed by the defendant) with the blessings of the state to accomplish what the state could not during a criminal trial, further subverting the criminal justice system. This is a very seductive method for the politically expedient. —Phil Rabne

 

Perhaps it’s time to say bit more about Phil Rabne. Better yet, let him say it.

RABNE

Well lets see... I'm 52, born in Pittsburgh, PA, raised in Ebensburg, PA and somewhat educated at Holy Name Elementary and Central Cambria High School. I went into the Air Force at age 18 serving the bulk of my tour in Chateroux, Fr. After my "air force" career was done I move to Chicago living there for about four months before moving to Dearborn, MI where I worked somewhat diligently for FoMoCo, first playing with '65 Mustang fenders then driving a fork-lift all for about four years.

I then moved to Los Angeles where I abruptly changed occupations going into the social service delivery system as a orderly while working my way though college, first Los Angeles Valley Community College graduating from UCLA with a degree in Psychology in 1977.

I then move back to PA with my first wife continuing to work in the social services delivery system but for a brief stint in a foundry as a Pouring Foreman, first as a Program Developer for the Mentally Retarded then as a CETA Intake Counselor. During my stint as a foundry worker I received training in Calera, AL where I met my son's mother and second wife. There is a saying that you can take the woman out of the south but you can never take the south out of the woman.

So when a job came up as a Rehab Counselor working for the State of Alabama, I took it, moving here in 1985. I met my third wife about three years ago marrying her about two years ago. I now have five g'chilluns and four chilluns.

I fell in with the computer crowd about four years ago when I bought a laptop. It had a monster HD( 40 megs ) but it 'ruint' me, I've not being quite right since.

I enjoy computers, doing my own home and car repairs, reading and swap meets. My beautiful bride and I just finished painting our home and we are now embarked on new projects putting up new gutter spouts and other home improvements.

Subj: Re: [Fwd: Re Our Rights]

Date: Wednesday, February 12, 1997 8:34 PM

From: Tiger

To: Hhhana, Rabne, Judge

CC: Trooper, Pat, Trille

Paula— your points are well taken. The point is that there are many precedents in law to trying a case again, or differently, if we really feel the verdict is a miscarriage of justice. A better example of how the law works (not necessarily for the best) is the Bernard Goetz case in NY, in which the "Subway Vigilante" was acquitted of the attempted murder of four black kids whom he shot point blank. In the civil case (violating their civil rights) brought by a kid Goetz paralyzed in the shooting, the jury awarded 20 million in damages. Two different venues for this case, also. First in a white area, the second in a predominantly minority area.

As Matlock says, it goes on all the time. The larger issue for me is still the inequity of opportunity and of sentencing. Simpson had to pay the bills. So did the Goldmans and the Browns. How many people can’t fight back because they don’t have the money to pursue the justice they seek? Either everyone gets the same treatment, or we change the rules. I think we agree on that. —Tiger

Subj: Re: Fwd: Re Our Rights

Date: 97-02-12 21:38:57 EST

From: Judge

To: Tiger, Hhhana, Rabne

CC: Trooper, Pat (Crowe), Trille

Tiger— There will never be "equality" of justice. This is sad. We can only hope when the quality of justice goes to the liberty of citizens, neither money nor race becomes a factor. Hence we have the protections of the Constitution and civil rules of evidence. Still the system is not perfect. Different segments in society have differing views of how well it works or does not work. Sometimes what is perceived is true but those who are not affected just do not notice.

The reason many of these second bite trials are not heard of is that most are settled when liability is clear and the defendant has money. Often the defendant is convicted and most likely judgment proof. If the defendant is not convicted, most victims do not consider civil relief because the evidence is just not there. O.J. criminal trial was decided on credibility or shall I say the lack thereof. Also note, even though some new evidence was submitted to the jurors, the civil trial was also decided on credibility.

Back to your belief that there should be some equal access which I agree with in the abstract. No attorney is going to spend substantial time and resources trying a civil case on a contingency basis unless both damages and abundant proof of liability is apparent. Not many people are going to pay Matlock to try the case on principle. Matlock is going to want to get paid. So changing the rules just will not work.

What would you suggest? No relief for the injured party just because many perpetrators are judgment proof. Do you think Matlock should work for free?

Hey Sandy, I bet you would love to increase your pro bono quota. Tiger this is just an imperfect world. This judicial system that we operate under is one of the best in the world. If any changes should be made, it should be in the area of whether the media should be allowed to exploit the pain of victims or the rights of the accused under the pretense of First Amendment rights when the real bottom line is dollars. Of course there are real strong arguments for a totally open trial system with cameras in the courtroom. Personally, I think cameras are not the evil but rather judges’ failure to be firm in the standards they set forth for all participants, including attorneys, the press and the participants. Ah... there I go again... —Judge

Subj: Re: Rights

Date: 97-02-13 00:53:29 EST

From: Tiger

To: Chameleon, Rabne (Philip T. Rabne)

CC: All

You make some very valid points, which I think can be argued from several perspectives. The people who finally brought the killer of Medgar Evers to justice, or who, in a second trial, convicted the police officers who beat Rodney King were not met with the barrage of criticism as were the plaintiffs in this trial. I would agree with your premise if it were an absolute across the board application. That is, if EVERYONE who beat the system the first time (as in the cases I mentioned) was given absolution from any further related charges. This is my argument about many discrepancies in the law, and forms the basis of my opposition to the death penalty.

I recall, that when Simpson was first indicted, the DA said he would not seek the death penalty, because he could never get a jury (white or black) to convict OJ Simpson, the football hero [Editor’s note: That’s what we were all led to believe. However, the real reason may have been because the quality of evidence was so poor that O.J. should not have been put on trial in the first place]. Had the defendant been OJ’s plumber, death might very well have been the penalty for a conviction in exactly the same case.

One other comment regarding the concept of guilt. Again, I think you have a good point. In this very unusual case, the charge in a civil trial was responsibility for the wrongful death of 2 people....not in an auto accident, not because of medical malpractice—but because of willful, brutal homicide. When people acknowledge the verdict, no matter how you phrase it, they are saying that OJ Simpson was found to be responsible for the murder of Ron and Nicole. The criminal trial jury verdict said that the prosecution had not proven its case beyond a reasonable doubt. Many felons go free on that basis. It’s the protection the law provides against the power of the state.

The statement of a jury does not determine truth, it only judges the evidence as it was presented. Much more to be said, but you said it well. —Tiger

Subj: Newbies

Date: 97-02-13 08:58:47 EST

From: Hhhana

To: Trooper, Pat

Good morning guys— The subject is pretty obvious; the new guys communicating with us. I have such a small screen, I probably missed a lot of the reasons they’ve become involved with us. I’m going back today and try to read anything I’ve saved from them to figure out where they stand. Good guys/bad guys.

I think one of the most interesting parts is Tiger’s interaction with them. Have you noticed? Wanted to send you both a private note to make sure you were watching, but didn’t get a chance last night. This thing kept kicking me off the net. Twice, I was in the middle of a letter and the modem disconnected.

Back to Tiger, she is so predictable, showing her refined side, taking little swats but nothing major. She’s a work, that one. I want to see what happens when she slams them, and we know she will. I am really not the best one to interact with any of them because I can’t print off the e-mail and have to try to run on memory, which is rated "afflicted" these days.

Going to send this and find my "first" cup of coffee. My last day off. We train today, but I’m not ready to go back yet. I’ve assured everyone I’ll be on board tomorrow. We have a real busy weekend, working at least 14 hours Sat and Sun. Probably Monday, too. Then things will slow down a little until middle of March.

Pat would love to hear from you today. Jasper, waiting to hear from you whenever you get a chance. Trying to keep the faith. I wish the Simpson attorneys would let us know what they have planned. Sick of watching the other team. —Paula

Although I can’t show you what Judge saw on the CTV threads to occasion Hhhana’s next letter, you can probably fill in the blanks with these letters from Judge, Trille, Kim and Crowe.

Subj: Re: Tiger and others like her

Date: February 13, 1997 03:26 PM

From: Judge

To: Trille

CC: All

Trille—Just as I stated in my response to the false accusation re: you as it relates to the CTV board. I will say the same re: the need for an apology to Tiger if you called heard her... I hate even to repeat it... "kraut bitch."... I know... I know... I was not around to know about the abuses that may have been shoveled on the OJI’s, but Trille, I have read some of your post and I believe that you let your emotions control your mouth and fingers. I bet the minute you sent that e-mail or made the post... assuming it to be true you said those horrible words... that you wish you had not stated them. They are base and way below you. This is just my opinion and if you like you can tell me to go fly a kite or something worse. I realize I am sticking my nose maybe where it does not belong. But, can a man change his character after 42 years? Nope. So..... —Judge

Subj: Re: Tiger and others like her

Date: February 13, 1997

From: Trille

To: All

HI— I AM GOING TO WRITE THIS IN CAPS TO MAKE IT CLEAR, THIS IS COMING FROM TRILLE. TIGER, IN ONE OF HER, SHALL WE SAY, LESS CLEAR MESSAGES, CLAIMED THAT ON HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE THERE WAS SOME KIND OF SEAL FROM THE THIRD REICH, NAZI GERMANY. NOW EVERYONE HERE KNOWS TIGER IS JEWISH. AND SINCE SHE WAS WRITING GIBBERISH IN RESPONSE TO SOME NONSENSE FROM BULL ABOUT BEING IN A NAZI DEATH CAMP IN MUNICH AND SOMETHING ELSE ABOUT BEING A POW IN VIETNAM—AND CONSIDERING THAT TIGER HAS WRITTEN AWFUL THINGS THAT HAVE NEVER APPEARED ON E-MAIL TO OTHERS (THE REASON I COMPLAINED TO HER WEBMASTER AT WORLDNET, NOT AT COURT TV, AS SHE IMPLIES, AND ALSO, BY THE WAY, THE RESPONSE FROM COURT TV WAS IN RESPONSE TO MY REQUEST FOR A CLARIFICATION) BUT SHE WAS WRITING UTTER RUBBISH. THAT IS WHAT I MEANT BY "KRAUT BITCH."

I CERTAINLY KNOW SHE IS JEWISH, BUT WHY DOES SHE WRITE THAT HER BIRTH CERTIFICATE HAS A NAZI SEAL ON IT? SHE KNOWS I AM DANISH AND HATE THE GERMANS. BUT ALSO THE DANISH ARE NEXT TO NO ONE IN HAVING HELPED THE JEWS DURING WORLD WAR II. IF SHE IS GOING TO WRITE NONSENSE, SHE HAS TO ACCEPT NONSENSE BACK.

ALSO IT WOULD BE FAIRER IF THINGS ARE NOT QUOTED OUT OF CONTEXT, SHE DOESN’T WRITE WHAT PRECEDED IT, AND THAT MAKES IT IMPOSSIBLE TO UNDERSTAND.

WHAT DO YOU THINK SHE MEANT WHEN SHE WROTE TO ME ABOUT PEOPLE RUNNING FROM ME IN TERROR IN WHEATEN, AND HOW I SHOULD TAKE "MY ‘CRAZY’ MEDICINE," ETC. ETC?

READ ALL THE E-MAIL AND ALL THE POSTINGS, BUT NOT SELECTIVELY, AND OUT OF CONTEXT. IF YOU LIKE I CAN SEND EVERY SINGLE NASTY E-MAIL AND COPIES OF ALL NASTY POSTINGS IF ANYONE IS REALLY INTERESTED, BUT PLEASE, EITHER READ THE WHOLE THING OR IGNORE IT OR SHUT UP ABOUT SOMETHING YOU DON’T REALLY KNOW THE WHOLE STORY ABOUT. —Trille

The whole story about Trille’s reliance on context is in that letter. I’m sure that all of us saw it eventually, including the OJG’s. When you consider the context, you know that Trille wasn’t talking about "Germans" or "Danes" in general; she was talking about the Germans of the Third Reich who persecuted Jews, and the Danes of that era who stuck their necks out to save them. I could imagine Lion, Tiger, Bear and Bull rubbing their hands in glee at the prospect of tossing back that "I hate Germans" line, until they realized that leaving it alone was their best bet. Taking it out of context would prove Trille’s point to the newbies. I had "a gut feeling" that Judge was already an OJG without the courage or the integrity to say so. I didn’t know about Rabne. I’d never heard of Kitty. Who could have known how important her voice would be to me in the days and weeks to come or how important Trille’s letter would be in making it count? More about that in Chapter 13: OUR BIGGEST PROBLEM, which begins one fork where this letter ends. For now, let’s follow another fork that begins with Kitty...

Subj: Re: Tiger and others like her

Date: February 13, 1997

From: Kitty (Kim MacAuley)

To: All

Can we all agree that this bickering is silly? Can we start a REAL discussion? This is the whole reason I left the message boards on Court TV. I really don’t want to have to leave another group because of silliness! —Kim (Kitty)

Subj: Told you so....

Date: 97-02-13 15:09:48 EST

From: Hhhana

To: Judge

CC: Fresa, Connie, Dable, Bear, Petlady, Pat, Trille, Trooper

Hey Judge—Wrote you a wonderful note last night thanking you for the compliment. I’m just a regular Geraldine Spence of the South. Need my cowgirl coat.

Told you about this group...you didn’t believe me. It’s fierce and it’s real. All hope of discussion is gone. Some of us talk to each other on the threads and others talk to themselves on the threads. I was surprised to find this morning that someone of super intelligence named "Wildcat" has found me too unsophisticated to even address.

Good luck, peacemaker. If you can achieve it, I’ll vote for you for President. —Paula

Subj: Tiger and others like her

Date: February 13

From: Pat

To: Paula

CC: All

Paula—I keep getting my e-mail to you returned. I keep trying. Hope this gets through. I agree about Tiger. I have just posted some nasties on the board addressed to someone named Gabriell. She reprinted an e-mail Tiger got from Trille. Trille calls Tiger a kraut bitch or something; I told her I thought we had "laid down our arms" but if she wanted to start up the nastiness again I was ready. I really wish Trille would just tone it down a little. Sometimes it gets hard to defend some of her more outrageous comments. I really don’t like being rude but if I have to be I will.

I’m also sick of seeing the plaintiff’s lawyers and Denise Brown and those jurors. I really don’t like jury bashing but does anyone else find them all a little flaky? Well I guess I’d better go chase a little dust or something...Keep the faith. —Pat

Pat wrote another letter that I accidentally erased, thinking that it was a duplicate of the one above. It was about the photographer who claimed that O.J. threatened him with a golf club and put him in fear of his life. That is the "BS" letter Hhhana is referring to here.

Subj: BS

Date: 97-02-14 10:45:06 EST

From: Hhhana

To: Pat, Trooper

Pat— I saw it last night. It is a crock, all right. When will it end? How can one man be hated by so many people? How far will they go? D. Norville said last night they are working on the film and will have it ready for Tues. What do they have to work on? Making it look worse? Taking out the real voices? Put him in Bruno Maglis? She also said the cameraman is planning to file a police report. Said OJ frightened him.....BS. They are trying to get everybody riled up for the custody appeal. That’s all.

I am angry and ashamed and looking for answers. What can we do? There has to be something to shock America back to good sense. What is it? Public demonstrations? Don’t people see how dangerous the media is? They control our political process; bad press will assure defeat at the polls. They manipulate our thinking about everything. All biased. Am I ranting?

These butts on the CTV threads, they play with us; it’s all they’re doing. It’s fun, sign on and hurt somebody, laugh at them. Tiger is a dangerous woman. She and her cronies took somebody with a good heart and beat on her and beat on her until she acts like a maniac, then point at her and say "You can’t deal with her; she’s a maniac." What gives them the right to do it? ....

O.J. needs to get his entire team out there. All the lawyers, maybe a PR man.

I’m sure sick of watching the other side. —Paula

Subj: Geraldo

Date: 97-02-14 10:45:06 EST

From: Pat

To: Hhhana, Trooper

Paula— My husband couldn’t believe that I turned Geraldo off last night and watched a dumb comedy I hate. I just couldn’t take one more minute of Petrocelli, etc. When they said they had at least three of them it was more than I could take.

I agree Tiger is dangerous. Like I said before, outright racist etc., don’t bother me as much as those who loudly declare they’re not and then proceed to act like all racists do. If you give them enough rope, they’ll hang themselves.

....Are you getting much mail from OJG’s? I get the odd one from Tiger, but I notice the ones I get have only a few CC addresses. Probably doesn’t want the others to know she’s communicating with the likes of us. Ha, ha....

Talk to you later —Pat

Perhaps you’re thinking that Pat’s characterization of Tiger as "dangerous" is a bit much. Think again. Here is another example of how the flow of conversation in an e-mail group depends on who read which letter from whom and when they read it, a group dynamic that Tiger took full advantage of with carefully targeted letters and CC’s. Trille didn’t get the preceding letter from Pat, and the people she lists to receive copies are there only because they were included in a letter from Pat the next day on another subject. Keep that in mind when you read what Trille had to say about Tiger’s letter to her. The title on the subject line was my idea.

Subj: BS

Date: 97-02-15 20:31:08 EST

From: Trille

To: Pat

CC: Judge, Matlock, Hhhana, Rabne, Trooper

Hi guys— Have you all heard the latest, that OJ is going to be charged with assault on a photographer who OJ supposedly hit with golf clubs?

I just wish OJ would get the hell out of California so this kind of thing can’t happen anymore—like the cops going to his house and making his kids get up because they supposedly thought he threatened to kill them and himself if he lost the civil case. I don’t think there even was a phony report on that. I think the cops did it on their own. I have personal experience on this, that the cops can and do things on their own without warrants or complaints from anyone. It is a horrible world. I pray for us all.

I got another nasty little missile from my favorite person, Tiger, who tells me she is a very dangerous enemy. Am I supposed to be scared?

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